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Post by Conn on May 31, 2008 22:31:08 GMT -5
What Patrons and Partronesses do people worship here and why? What drwas you to them, how did you know they were for you?
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Post by cathal on Jun 15, 2008 21:54:44 GMT -5
I wouldn't exactly say I worship them (considering I don't think worship is the correct term for what Pagans do)... however my Matron's are An Cailleach and Bride.
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Post by Fool Coyote on Jun 22, 2008 2:14:38 GMT -5
I wouldn't exactly say I worship them (considering I don't think worship is the correct term for what Pagans do)... however my Matron's are An Cailleach and Bride. IMO, a Celt would no more "worship" his gods than he would his Grandmother. I just don't think they would have separated themselves in such a way. |
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Post by cathal on Jun 26, 2008 22:50:29 GMT -5
I wouldn't exactly say I worship them (considering I don't think worship is the correct term for what Pagans do)... however my Matron's are An Cailleach and Bride. IMO, a Celt would no more "worship" his gods than he would his Grandmother. I just don't think they would have separated themselves in such a way. I couldn't have said it better myself ;D |
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Post by gwenhwyfar on Jun 28, 2008 2:25:51 GMT -5
Currently, i only have one Matron I feel connected with and she is Arianrhod. As far as why or how I know, well it took many years of feeling a sort of connection or pull to different things such as the moon (full moon especially), reincarnation, dreams, fertility (don't ask, haha), etc. and then others helping me to figure her name when I truly decided to find who she was. Once I discovered her name, she confirmed it was her in a very positive way.
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Post by Fool Coyote on Jul 12, 2008 1:19:46 GMT -5
My own "Patron" I think would be Senbecc, though on a higher level, that of our Grove it would be An Daghdha.  |
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Post by diarmuid on Jul 17, 2008 19:59:06 GMT -5
I don't have a patron or matron. I geuss I have never felt "the call" to a specific deity or anything. Though I do honor certain Gods when appropriate, though nothing like a Patron.
Question for those here. How do you know when you are called to a specific Deity? How do you know that they are offering Patronage? Do you feel they came to you, or you to them???
Just wondering...
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Post by Fool Coyote on Jul 17, 2008 22:19:57 GMT -5
I don't have a patron or matron. I geuss I have never felt "the call" to a specific deity or anything. Though I do honor certain Gods when appropriate, though nothing like a Patron. Question for those here. How do you know when you are called to a specific Deity? How do you know that they are offering Patronage? Do you feel they came to you, or you to them??? Just wondering... I think for me it is a matter of coming to know the ins and outs of the self, and how those then correspond to the lore, and it's characters. Senbecc was a small figure, he was a tiny man who used his power of Bardcraft to out smart the most powerful warrior in Ireland. To me this shows Senbecc as an underdog, a surviver, and it teaches to think first, it reminds us IMO that forethought in situations leads to the best outcomes. This is what I aspire to do, and so it is to Senbecc that I most often call to. |
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Post by gwenhwyfar on Jul 26, 2008 4:30:53 GMT -5
I don't have a patron or matron. I geuss I have never felt "the call" to a specific deity or anything. Though I do honor certain Gods when appropriate, though nothing like a Patron. Question for those here. How do you know when you are called to a specific Deity? How do you know that they are offering Patronage? Do you feel they came to you, or you to them??? Just wondering... Hmm, interesting question. For me, it was my feeling a connection to the Celtic beliefs and pantheon and trying to find the name of the deity I felt most connected with. I had always felt a connection to the night and full moon (was even born on a full moon, which later found out), was always fascinated with dreams and researching certain things on them, was big on the idea of a continuous cycle of life and rebirth among other things. So, my connection to such things, mainly the moon being used to question others if they knew of any Celtic goddess related to the moon, lead me to fully find the goddess who has been sort of calling to me. Once I learned of her name I had this enlightening sort of experience as well... I was driving home one night from a store and her name entered my thoughts and I couldn't shake the name even while trying. I then began feeling this amazing feeling, as though I was being lifted from myself... yet I wasn't, it's difficult to explain. It was as though everything became extremely clear, as though she was telling me that yes, it was her who I'd felt a connection with all this time. After that experienc, I decided to really do some hardcore research on information in regards to her, and bought the Mabinogion. The more I learned about her, the more I realized how much of a connection therewas and just more of the puzzle pieces (so to speak) fit into place. One thing which still somewhat bugs me though, is that I feel no connection with the familiar/spirit of an owl and I've read of that being Arianrhod's sort of animal connection. I can't help but continuously wonder if, that since the only real information on her is left to the Mabinogion and possibly other little information, she's said to be connected with an owl simply because of Blodeuwedd (the maiden aspect) being turned into an owl and so the same idea is connected to Arianrhod. I have no overall issues with it, it's just a small part that doesn't seem to fit with me and so it sort of bugs me a bit since everything else just fits so perfectly when it comes to her. |
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Post by Coyote Morningstar on Aug 10, 2008 12:07:26 GMT -5
My Matrons are Brighid and the Morrigan. My Patron is Manannan. In all three cases they made their presence known in ways that I could not ignore nor misinterpret. I revere and honor the gods, just as I revere and honor my ancestors. Indeed, I believe the gods to be our ancestors in a very real way.
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Post by Fairy Bear on Aug 29, 2008 21:39:53 GMT -5
Howdy...errr ummmm I don't want to start an argument but why wouldn't the interaction between Celts and their Gods/Goddesses be "worship"? Were there no invocations? Were sacrifices only for auguries? When I ask Bride for help in fabricating something or when out on the water and I ask Mannan to keep me safe I'd call those "prayer". When I hang mistletoe at Yule and burn the Yule Log I am giving thanks for a full, rich year. It almost seems that, to some, "worship" is a bad thing. I'm not talking about groveling, I'm just talking about giving thanks and asking for needed help.
But to answer your original question - Bride & The Dagda!
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Post by Coyote Brighids Flame on Sept 5, 2008 19:51:19 GMT -5
Good question, Fairy Bear. I took a moment to wonder why I didn't like the word "worship". I looked it up in the dictionary and one of the first definitions was : to honor or revere. Which is what I've started calling my worship.... So since worship means pretty much the same as honor and revere I've realized that I don't care for the word because it reminds me to much of, like you said, groveling. It's what we've made the word out to be that I don't like.
You make very good points and I think it just comes down to what people want to refer about themselves.
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Post by Coyote Morningstar on Sept 5, 2008 19:53:19 GMT -5
I thought I was logged in when I responded. That's me, Coyote the guest. |
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Post by Fool Coyote on Sept 15, 2008 20:20:38 GMT -5
Howdy...errr ummmm I don't want to start an argument but why wouldn't the interaction between Celts and their Gods/Goddesses be "worship"? Were there no invocations? Were sacrifices only for auguries? When I ask Bride for help in fabricating something or when out on the water and I ask Mannan to keep me safe I'd call those "prayer". When I hang mistletoe at Yule and burn the Yule Log I am giving thanks for a full, rich year. It almost seems that, to some, "worship" is a bad thing. I'm not talking about groveling, I'm just talking about giving thanks and asking for needed help.But to answer your original question - Bride & The Dagda! Many welcomes to you Fairy Bear to the Celtic Crossroads! My apologies for my lateness to your question. I'm not sure anyone is saying that 'worship' is actually a bad thing, so much, as they are simply saying it wasn't really the methodology used by Celts in history. I'm not sure as to why you are referencing Yule to a Celtic thread on Gods since they didn't celebrate Yule, however to 'worship' something, it needs to be placed above one's self, above all other things. To worship a god is to see it as supreme, thus separating yourself from it. I simply don't think the ancestors would have separated themselves from nature in such a way. Morningstar I think discussed a bit on Worship and honor, IMHO, there is a big difference between the two. |
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